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*highly unscientific comparison* 56 and 60mm lenses

Discussion in 'Native X-Mount Lens Forum' started by Kirstybell, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Kirstybell

    Kirstybell Premium Member

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    In case of interest to anyone. Was able to try in haste a 56 and my 60 within 5 minutes of each other on the same subject. Both were shot at 1/160, and the 56 was at 3.6 and the 60 at 4.

    I don't think the small difference in position and exposure can account for the difference in colour rendition. Both sooc jpegs.

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    even less scientific completely different shots but nonetheless they are innately different

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    Having second thoughts?:eek:
     
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    Fascinated! 60 so vintage and heavy, 56 so delicate and light.

    If I knew anything about perfumes I bet that would have a vocabulary to describe.
     
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    Differences in lens coatings frequency transmission characteristics can affect color rendition.

    Whether or not the lens-coatings frequency transmission properties are actually different for those two lenses is unknown. You results seem indicate there are small differences. Both lenses use EBC coating (electron beam coating), but this doesn't mean the coating materials are precisely identical. It just means the same technology is used to apply the coating materials.
     
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    :cool:;) Opium ....... Lavender ? :D:cool:
     
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    When I get back to Spain I will try 80mm v 60mm v 56mm.
    If I have enough time I will test wide open and also at f4, f8.
    Posting results is the time sink and frequently dont render well in browsers compared to on screen.
     
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    When it comes to lenses, and often also camera bodies, it's about the personal feeling for it. WHatever tickles your fancy might not do the same for another person. Some things can't be explained by science (by that I don't mean things like paranormal events etc.), humans are complex, even though IMHO we should try to understand and strive for "truth" (even though truth may not exist at all, or even in a graspable way for humans) (truth and understanding may be a utopian idea) it may be a good idea to embrace the feelings, aren't feeling one of the things that make us human? What feels right? What looks right to your eyes, heart and mind.
     
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    I agree 100%.
    I wish more people were as perceptive and not so an@lly retentive about the lab tests that bear little real value in real life situations.
    We also need to be aware that truth is about perception, culture and understanding. One person's pale green is another person's turquoise! :cool:
     
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    :) Agree!
     
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    Did you choose a fixed white balance or were these shots taken with auto white balance?

    If the latter then I think you could get two different JPEG's even with the same lens? It might take just a very small change to trigger a different WB I would think. I'm not saying different lenses could not account for the difference - just that you'd need to eliminate WB from the equation first.
     
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    +1 to that!

    Immanuel Kant argued that we cannot even percieve true life around us, because it is coloured by our preunderstanding and experience with life and things that have happened previously in life.
    That can be one step to far for alot of people in that direction, but I do agree that sometimes it's hard to se what is right infront of us because we may only see what we want to see and/or what our subconsious wants us to see.

    However, personally I believe in a balance, shooting charts gives us some useful information, but that isn't the whole truth, neither is the opposite to ignore data that comes from emperical "evidence".

    But hey, that's just my humble opinion.
     
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    I agree that we need to have balance, that is why I like to make a few good size prints. For me it is a better assessment than an MTF chart or discussion on pixie dust, whatever that is.
     
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    WB may be responsible for the yellowish cast! Thank you for the valuable lesson. Facing away from the building the 60 didn't pick up that hue and the 56 was still lighter. But far more similar than different as shown here, from another day testing the 60 on the bee house.

    Opium, absolutely! Versus Le Jardin.

    Neither these or the 35 show it as I see which I'm glad of. They have a far more romantic view on the world!

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    If you want to go to town on this then you could get an X-rite colour checker passport (or similar). Then you can include it in some test photos and match the white balance in post production. It's a pretty good approach for matching colours. It's a little case that you can easily carry with you - you open it up and it has precise "swatches" of different colours and shades of grey inside.

    The issue I always have is the opposite one though. The trouble is that colours are NOT the same. Take the classic photo of a Bride in her white dress. It isn't really "white" as it totally depends on the light falling on it and being reflected. Put her in front of a gorgeous sunset and correcting the white balance will remove the orange/red "cast" that should be there. But that - of course - is a different issue!
     
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    You didn't say which was which but my preference is for the second image in each comparison.
     
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    Then you would need both lenses!
     
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    I only need the second one.
     
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    But they swap order...
     
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    I wondered if the 60 mm was first in the first set and second in the second set. It seems to be the case.

    Highly unscientific indeed...
     
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